Hi, I'm Angela Godwin with WaterWorld Magazine and talking with me today is Helmut Kroiss and he's the President Elect of the International Water Association. Helmut, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. Tell us, if you would, what. Role do organizations, professional organizations like the International Water Association. What role do they play in addressing the world water crisis? Though the main problem we have is, of course, not to have access to information, but to distribute. And make available solid information for those who need it. And therefore we need a global network of persons who develop a. Common language so that they can understand each other. And that the innovation and the research results are really well distributed. But at the same time it's also a human problem, so that people who have to work together as [UNKNOWN] it's very complex. Problem. We have to find the different disciplines to work together. And I think this is also one of the main tasks of the, at the national level as well as the international associations to speed up the solution of the more, getting more pressing. Welcome to help us with the supply and sanitation but also good measurement on a a river management level. So how are we doing in terms of addressing the global water crisis we still here some pretty staggering numbers but are we making progress? We are making progress indeed so the. Review of the millennium goals development. That shows that we have really achieved the millennium goals in regard to drinking water supply. The main question of course is that we have to define the standard. For drinking water supplies. In regard to our standards, less than half of the population have access to this standard. In regard to sanitation, we will not achieve this goal until we have tremendous task to fulfill, because we are not only wasting, Water yes we polluting rivers and the ground water and everything else the water crisis is not only increasing you have a lack of water but you have a lack water source sanitation is also from the health point of view. As important as safe drinking water in the long term run. And in this respect, I think we have to find, part in new solutions and awareness raising because the situation is very similar to it, to the situation in developed countries, that a hundred years ago it was always. Drinking water was ahead of let's say by 30 years. Mm-hm. So we had the same experience in, in London in the 19th century in Europe in the 20th century. So the, it's quite clear that for the. Politicians, they have a direct response of the population to bad drinking water, Mm-hm. But as long as the wastewater disappears somewhere, yes, politician are not really aware of the long-term effects or even short-term effects. Right. Also for drinking water supply but also for the natural ecosystems, Mm-hm. Which are damaged. You mentioned the importance that technology is going to play you know, in helping to solve some of these problems. How important is it to create a path to commercialization for some of these up and coming start up type companies? .> Yeah, this is one of the. Topics we are discussing very much in the international water association. We are very much in front of standards which are used by the authorities. But they turn out of course to be. To some extent also inhibiting to progress because they say we have well established technology and we won't be on the safe size so that we are not blamed to have some, install something new which doesn't operate later on. So we need showcases and we need. To, to try new things. And there must be somebody who takes responsibility, of course. That's what the lawyers are always want to know, yeah, who is responsible if something fails. So we must allow to have failures. And if we don't do this, the progress will be slower, yes. Well, Helmut, thank you so much for being with us. We really appreciate your time and, and your insights and wish you the best of luck. Thank you. Thank you. For WaterWorld magazine, I'm Angela Godwin.